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smallmanbighorse
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08, 2007 3:39 pm Post
subject: Lonely Traveller - The Martin Scott-Tumbling
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I noticed the other day that
Lalla had a link to his myspace page, and through that (and another
link), I found this: http://www.myspace.com/martinscotttumbling
Now Lalla's frustrated me sometimes, I can see he's
passionate about comedy, and writes pages and pages about what he
likes and dislikes, but I always felt that sometimes it was a bit of
a waste of his time, and why didn't he get out there and make some
comedy of his own.
And now I stand corrected, as he clearly
has done that! I really enjoyed it too, whilst hardly original
there's a lot of great jokes in there. I especially liked the Kevin
the teenager homage / the controversial novel Lady Chatterly's Lover
had yet to be published / refused to look people in the eye /
refused to go to school, refused not to go to school / Valerie
singing / The Fool painting / The notepad with his lyrics in it /
Essentially a roadie then - "yeah, beautiful" moments and lots of
other bits too.
Some of it wasn't perfect of course, the odd
joke made me groan (The university Maths joke / If only he'd waited
for the previous act to finish / Everyone crying at the wedding),
but overall I'd say the hit rate was pretty high. The only negative
thing I'd say about is that there's very little originality here, I
could see the influences a mile off.
I was amazed at how
well it was produced as well, it looks incredibly professional, the
music was superb, and if there was an extended version which ran to
30 minutes, I could easily see it going out on tv.
One thing
which has confused me though is that I've noticed that Lalla misses
the anger in comedy these days, but Martin Scott-Tumbling is
completely anger free in my opinion, so I was wondering why he had
produced something admittedly very funny but which doesn't have the
major element of what he wants to see in comedy these days.
Oh, and just one other thing - I noticed in the Josie Long
thread a while back that Lalla thought that Youtube comedy couldn't
be done apart from:
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| Curb-style comedy is the only kind of comedy
you'll ever be able to make, unless you have a professional
crew and a spare £200,000. Time won't change
that. |
Which really
confuses me, as Lalla's managed to produce something very very good
which I presume didn't cost anything near to that amount
quoted. | |
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thepuffpastryhangman
Location: where I am today
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08, 2007 4:44 pm Post
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| It seems like the time and place
to ask, so...‘is the ninety minute Resonance FM documentary
available anywhere?’ There, said it. | |
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alan strang
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| Posted: Thu Mar
08, 2007 4:53 pm Post
subject: Re: Lonely Traveller - The Martin Scott-Tumbling
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| and if there was an extended version which ran
to 30 minutes, I could easily see it going out on
tv. |
There's an
extended version which ran to an hour and was broadcast on Resonance
104.4 FM in 2005 (those YouTube vids are based on the same audio).
It's online at the moment as ELW10 and I have a
download-the-show-and-send-some-money-to-Resonance drive going.
So... Download the show...
Lonely
Traveller - The Martin Scott-Tumbling Story
...and send
some money to Resonance to keep them going...
http://www.resonancefm.com/support.htm
xx | |
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Emergency Lalla Ward Ten
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| Posted: Thu Mar
08, 2007 7:16 pm Post
subject: Re: Lonely Traveller - The Martin Scott-Tumbling
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I was amazed at how well it was produced
as well...the music was superb. |
I can't take credit for the music/production
- that was all c/o Strang's fingers. But cheers for
comments. | |
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smallmanbighorse
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| Posted: Thu Mar
08, 2007 8:42 pm Post
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Not a problem, I really enjoyed
watching it, and will be downloading the whole thing a bit later on
- I've already donated a little to Resonance, but if I've a bit of
spare money at the end of the month I'll do so again.
Just
out of interest, if you don't mind me asking, how much did it cost?
And is a fourth part planned? It's just that it ends with End of
Part Three and so I presumed there might be a final installment in
the future? And have you ever approached any tv production companies
about possibly showing it?
Edit: Oh, and congrats to Mr
Strang, and sorry for not crediting your for your work in the
earlier post! | |
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Mr Wrong
Location: Out of the thick of it.
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08, 2007 10:02 pm
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Not a problem, I really enjoyed watching it,
and will be downloading the whole thing a bit later on - I've
already donated a little to Resonance, but if I've a bit of
spare money at the end of the month I'll do so again.
Just out of interest, if you don't mind me asking, how
much did it cost? And is a fourth part planned? It's just that
it ends with End of Part Three and so I presumed there might
be a final installment in the future? And have you ever
approached any tv production companies about possibly showing
it?
Edit: Oh, and congrats to Mr Strang, and sorry for
not crediting your for your work in the earlier
post! |
Genius, no
one will ever guess. | |
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smallmanbighorse
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08, 2007 10:52 pm
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thepuffpastryhangman
Location: where I am today
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09, 2007 12:00 am
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SOTCAA have deployed some cunning plan comprising of; mischievously
omitting Martin Scott-Tumbling from their own website in a
tactically sly mystique boosting ploy, 'putting it down' in their
art cellar for a couple of years, and finally s.tumbling upon the
idea of creating a (semi) dedicated log-in here to ignite the beacon
of self publicity they're now rubbing their toasty mitts
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Craig Torso
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| Posted: Fri Mar
09, 2007 12:22 am
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This would mean them creating the
account last October entirely for this thread.
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remove unnecessary stuff: | |
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smallmanbighorse
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Ah, I thought that might be what
he was implying, but honestly it's not the case.
The Sotcaa
boys do delight and frustrate me in equal measures on these boards,
they're knowledge of comedy is amazing to see, and I do love it when
they get enthusiastic about something, but equally I do get
frustrated by the negativity displayed sometimes.
When I saw
Lalla's MySpace page I expected to be frustrated by it (and Alan's)
in a similar way, but was really surprised by just how good the
youtube videos were.
I can't prove any of this of course.
Erm, other than saying that I genuinely do quite like Josie Long.
And I'm sure Lalla would never say such a thing, even if he had a
gun pointed at his head!
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Banana Woofwoof
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09, 2007 1:04 am Post
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| I believe Mr Wrong is implying SOTCAA have
deployed some cunning plan comprising of; mischievously
omitting Martin Scott-Tumbling from their own website in a
tactically sly mystique boosting ploy, 'putting it down' in
their art cellar for a couple of years, and finally s.tumbling
upon the idea of creating a (semi) dedicated log-in here to
ignite the beacon of self publicity they're now rubbing their
toasty mitts over. |
Toasty mitts my arse, they're wanking and
he knows it.
I have
Martin-Scott Tumbling on seadee for anyone who has trouble
downloading.
I love it, but I like the little after-party
best, it makes me giggle. The music is excellent too. | |
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smallmanbighorse
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| Posted: Fri Mar
09, 2007 4:24 pm Post
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I'd genuinely be interested in
Lalla and Alan's response to something I asked in the first
thread,btw.
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| One thing which has confused me though is that
I've noticed that Lalla misses the anger in comedy these days,
but Martin Scott-Tumbling is completely anger free in my
opinion, so I was wondering why he had produced something
admittedly very funny but which doesn't have the major element
of what he wants to see in comedy. | | |
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Ben Ordinary
Location: All The Way From Over There,
LOL
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09, 2007 4:51 pm Post
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being on Resonance was anger GOLD. Especially "Julia Loves Jessica".
Being pally with creators or not, there's few things funnier than
"Thurrr's somethin' wrong with moi vergoiynarrrr" in my comedy
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alan strang
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Replies. Sorry for the delay. I
was trying to remember whether I was actually smallmanbighorse or Mr
Wrong. Turns out I was Shoulders?-Stomach! all along.
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I'd genuinely be interested in Lalla and
Alan's response to something I asked in the first thread,btw.
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| One thing which has confused me though
is that I've noticed that Lalla misses the anger in
comedy these days, but Martin Scott-Tumbling is
completely anger free in my opinion, so I was wondering
why he had produced something admittedly very funny but
which doesn't have the major element of what he wants to
see in comedy. | |
Well, firstly we're not saying all comedy should be angry, it's
just a tad worrying that such anger has been slowly eased out over
the past decade and tends to be viewed with a lot more suspicion
now. We could certainly do with a bit more public foot-stamping - to
level things out a little. An ideal comedy climate would allow nice,
thumping, shit-kicking, boat-rocking invective to exist side by side
with yer monkey whimsy toss (without worrying about some reactionary
little cunt whining "All comedy should be silly - come on, you're
not angry six formers!!!", etc.)
In the case of 'Lonely
Traveller', the show is one of six spoof documentaries for a
potential series we've been writing, on and off, for the past couple
of years. Each of the shows covers a different 'iconic' figure (each
in a different style of documentary) - and all of these turn out to
be the pub-talk heroes of a tedious pop star called Paul Dullson
(you probably saw the 'Herd of Us' MySpace in your travels - one of
the later shows is on on-the-road documentary following his band as
they play a tour of free shows at all the bookshops in Charing Cross
Road). The series actually gets 'angrier' as it goes on - as the
talking heads for each icon start to represent all our pet hates.
But Nick Drake/John Martyn-esque folkies and their audience
aren't really hate-figures so it was better to go for passionate
silliness on that one. Another reason was that, since we're known as
angry comedy fans who shout a lot (we've done Tumbleweeds-esque
material online before now), it was fun to confound expectations and
present something 'nice' which would seem so unlike anything we'd
normally do.
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Oh, and just one other thing - I noticed in
the Josie Long thread a while back that Lalla thought that
Youtube comedy couldn't be done apart from:
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| Curb-style comedy is the only kind of
comedy you'll ever be able to make, unless you have a
professional crew and a spare £200,000. Time won't
change that. |
Which really confuses me, as Lalla's
managed to produce something very very good which I presume
didn't cost anything near to that amount
quoted. |
In fact it didn't cost us anything at all.
The performers are all mates and very kindly gave up their time and
voices for free for the radio version. It was all recorded in my
bedroom using Cool Edit Pro and a cheap mic. The music is just me
making do with whatever I had lying about - guitar, harmonica,
descant recorder and a midi program called Noteworthy Composer for
all the keyboard stuff.
The YouTube version is a case of
drinking loads of coffee and staying up all night pissing about with
Flash, Photoshop and VirtualDub on a very old computer.
But
that's what I do anyway. I illustrate, design, animate, etc - and I
can pay myself with fags. ELW10's original point still stands as
your average comedy writer won't necessarily have that experience
(and even if they have a mate who does then I doubt they'd put in
the necessary hours without someone holding a gun or some money to
their face).
There are cheap video graphics programs
available which add fake Super 8 celluloid scratches and whizzy 3-D
captions or whatever. But these always tend to look like 'starter
packs' to my eyes - and I doubt they'd cover anything elaborate like
animating an artiste's name onto the background of an old Beat Club
clip or making Bob Dylan's caption cards match what a talking head
is saying (and then have him suddenly look embarassed because the
next card has 'BUM' written on it).
In any case, fake
rostrums of mocked-up LP covers and PC-doctored archive footage is
one thing - if we'd wanted to do a live action sitcom or a sketch
show we'd be a tad fucked in terms of what we have to play with,
technically. A radio show, at a pinch, but anything more would
require money.
Also, our YouTube stuff is okay - as a 'projection' of what a
professional version would be like - but it's nowhere near
'broadcastable'. The first instalment in particular looks decidedly
shaky (all that nasty jagged panning). If that was done as a TV show
- with actual actors playing the talking heads rather than
dodgy-looking cut-outs, a proper animation team doing the Yellow Sub
pastiche and a special guest cameo appearance from Donovan - then it
would presumably cost quite a bit. I remember Brooker telling us how
much his little 'Office Romance' animation series cost after
shelling out for proper recording studio time and animators.
Something like ten grand. And that was hardly what you'd call an
'ambitious' production.
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| And is a fourth part planned? It's just that
it ends with End of Part Three and so I presumed there might
be a final installment in the future? |
The YouTube stuff currently represents only
about a quarter of the 'full show'. I made a start on Part 4 and
then gave up when my latest PC monitor died after a power surge -
the one I'm currently using seems to be powered by candle-light.
I'll probably have another bash when I get it sorted.
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| And have you ever approached any tv production
companies about possibly showing it? |
Not the visual version, no. We sent copies of
the radio show out to a few production people a while back. No great
response. David Tyler at Pozzitive liked it but evidently not enough
to develop it. Part of the reason for putting the YouTube vids
together was to see how many extra gags could be added with the
visuals - stuff like the 'Fool' painting you mentioned, the website
address incongrously appearing on an old black and white Corn Flakes
advert, Germaine Greer transforming into Steve Irwin, or the name of
the Irish pub (which is actually Gaelic for "Go fuck yourself").
At the end of the day it's probably unpitchable. But fuck
it, we like it. By the way, the vocal performers on the show - aside
from myself and ELW10 - include CaB posters benthalo, Mr Grue,
Squidy, Bean Is A Carrot, The Mumbler and TJ. Phwoar, look at the
'group think' on that.
And, once again, support your local
Resonance FM.
http://www.resonancefm.com/support.htm | |
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Pinball
Location: A field in Hampshire
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| Posted: Sat Mar
31, 2007 1:21 am Post
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this?? Thanks. | |
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LeboviciAB84
Location: Hindhead, the crossroads halfway down
the A3.
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Here
y'are.
In return, may I ask someone to re-upload programme
14 of Irk The Purists? I
somehow missed it at the time, like a arse. | |
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